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Manship’s copy of Cecil Washington on Prophonics


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1 hour ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Nice copy up for auction hitting the 2K mark within 24 hours. Speculation about the finishing price inevitable. Yes, a truly great record that no collection should be without. Sure to go beyond £3,500 which is what I would peg the current value at. So at the insistence of Zan The Man, here’s the new thread to make your predictions.

Yes my fav of 78/79 , still love it today 

wish I had 3.5k 😂 

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14 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

So many memories attached to this tune. Don't really think it's a mega rare one but with they way the lunatics have taken over the asylum of late I'm going  £5000

It was amazing when Richard Searling first played it in Wigan Casino!

"I Don't Like To Lose" -   Joe Matthews. (Cover Up)

Instant No1 monster sound!

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1 hour ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Nice copy up for auction hitting the 2K mark within 24 hours. Speculation about the finishing price inevitable. Yes, a truly great record that no collection should be without. Sure to go beyond £3,500 which is what I would peg the current value at. So at the insistence of Zan The Man, here’s the new thread to make your predictions.

i would agree with your value..tho those with money and no clue will throw 5k at it for certain

10 minutes ago, The Tempest said:

I’ll go for £4K - and here’s the rarely heard “ other “ side for you all 

 

i played that side out a few times over the years

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Thanks for all the feedback music lovers. I can see it going for 4-5K, well above the level I have it pegged at right now. It is not the rarest of the really big sounds as plenty of copies have surfaced to be snapped up. This record is a real ‘keeper’ so once in a collection, it stays there for a long, long time. My first copy cost $1,700 at the Austin Record Show - I had that exact amount in travellers’ cheques but didn’t mind being cleaned out one little bit.

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55 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

Very atmospheric played loud at an all nighter..

I'm sure somebody somewhere knows how many sold/were produced.

£5k would be astonishing. Imagine if Northern Soul took off in the middle East with the oil rich kids buying into it:)

Great title for an auction item...I don't like to lose.

Ed

 

It was pressed in quantity for sure and boxes made their way all over the country... even down to Texas. The fact that other more major labels used Prophonic (the correct spelling without the s) allowed them a more widespread distribution. This would have been a press of 5000 or more according to my sources (the guy that founded the label confirms) 

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2 hours ago, Martyn Pitt said:

I bought this and Carol Anderson (on Whip) from the same guy at Tony's around 94 / 95, I gave him £400 for the two.

I have seen more copies of the Cecil Washington than the Carol Anderson in sales boxes over the years.

With regard to value I would have it pegged at £3K max 

Martyn. Would that be because unless there is a step for you to stand on, you cannot see into the sales boxes.

Sorry mate couldn't resist 😉 🤗

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12 minutes ago, Andy Rix said:

I'm on my second copy .. the first came from Soulman (Steve H) .. he mentioned giving one away when he upgraded his first copy but I'm sure I gave him £18 for it .. well possibly £20 .. or maybe I just said I would and then forgot to pay !!

I got my second copy from William 'Bill' Tuthill who wrote the tune and was the original lead vocalist before his efforts, deemed not to be good enough, resulted in the arrival of Cecil Washington

I was amazed that nobody had contacted Bill before and recall the unusual telephone conversation when I first called

Female answers .. Mrs Tuthill

AR .. Hello can I speak to William Tuthill please

Mrs T .. Oh I'm sorry but you can't

AR .. OK is he out .. shall I call back later

Mrs T ..no .. he's dead so won't be back .. what did you want to talk to him about

AR .. I'm sorry to hear that .. I wanted to talk to him about his music career when he lived in Detroit

Mrs T .. oh ok you want William Jr. .. I'll get you his number

So William Jr had 2 copies .. a file copy & a play copy .. after a lot of negotiation he agreed to sell the play copy and would post it once he had moved house which was imminent .. I paid the money and waited patiently .. after a few follow up calls he told me he'd lost the play copy in the house move but so would have to send the file copy

The postman knocks on the door and hands me a jiffy bag ... no cardboard or anything to protect the 45 .. just a fragile record inside a jiffy bag .. I thought here we go again this will be like another copy of the Counts on Shrine .. smashed into 6 pieces .. what sort of person would think you can send a record from the USA to the UK in a jiffy bag .. so I was prepared for the worst but it had survived intact and a mint copy to boot .. happy days

In addition I asked Bill to write out the lyrics for me .. and as a bonus the 45 is in it's 'birth sleeve' (I hate that term) .. which has written on it 'The Tuthill Family' .. John M would be so proud 😂

Andy

 

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Bill Tuthill contract 1 001.jpg

Yeah ya tight bugger Andy.... you never did pay me LOL LOL LOl 🙂

I actually have a lot more things to add to this post both information wise and photocopy archive wise however, I am unable to say more until said auction has ended. I will up[load photos of the Prophonic Studios shortly along with other things which may be of interest.

  

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5 minutes ago, Soulman said:

Yeah ya tight bugger Andy.... you never did pay me LOL LOL LOl 🙂

I actually have a lot more things to add to this post both information wise and photocopy archive wise however, I am unable to say more until said auction has ended. I will up[load photos of the Prophonic Studios shortly along with other things which may be of interest.

  

I'll square up with you next time I see you ... if I remember 🙂

Will look forward to all of the 'additional' info .. sounds very intriguing and interesting

Trust all is well with you

Andy

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6 minutes ago, Soulman said:

Yeah ya tight bugger Andy.... you never did pay me LOL LOL LOl 🙂

I actually have a lot more things to add to this post both information wise and photocopy archive wise however, I am unable to say more until said auction has ended. I will up[load photos of the Prophonic Studios shortly along with other things which may be of interest.

  

Paul Potts if you can please and any info

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1 minute ago, Dave Pinch said:

probably a mute point i know.. up to now tho only really rare records have gone over 6k.. i wouldnt put this in the same league as the magnetics.. i wouldnt even put it on the same level as tomangoes or professionals.. i know we have the drama on facebook and SS threads weekly about records goin for more than they should but if this goes over 6k the scene will  once and for all be absolutely and finally fucked up.. and the biggest nail yet to be put in its coffin..  records unavailable anywhere for a week and people just seem to want to throw 4 figures at them

Absolutely.... nuff said

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39 minutes ago, Soulman said:

Didn't know the record shown in the scan (Cherry Slush - I cannot stop you) came out on Prophonics Coconut Groove. I only knew of it as a USA release. It also came out in Germany. I wonder where they licensed it from? USA? Surely not from Prophonics Coconut Groove

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Just now, Benji said:

Didn't know the record shown in the scan (Cherry Slush - I cannot stop you) came out on Prophonics. I only knew of it as a USA release. It also came out in Germany. I wonder where they licensed it from? USA? Surely not from Prophonics.

USA Records used Prophonic Studios for mastering etc and the two had quite a distribution deal (along with other labels), hence Prophonic releases ending up all over the States. Have a look at other USA releases and you will be surprised.

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15 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

probably a mute point i know.. up to now tho only really rare records have gone over 6k.. i wouldnt put this in the same league as the magnetics.. i wouldnt even put it on the same level as tomangoes or professionals.. i know we have the drama on facebook and SS threads weekly about records goin for more than they should but if this goes over 6k the scene will  once and for all be absolutely and finally fucked up.. and the biggest nail yet to be put in its coffin..  records unavailable anywhere for a week and people just seem to want to throw 4 figures at them

Whilst that is true, many records that are not as rare as many think have fetched a vast sum.  Probably seen more Tomangoes and Magnetics in recent times than Cecil. It is still one of the scenes greats and thats what attracts many, not the rarity. 

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Been a shade over 2.5K for almost a week now, with a fortnight to go. Just waiting for the nibblers to get stuck in - a few low-ball bids from the optimists who reckon they might just be lucky if everyone else drops out. Expect a few big bids in the final week as the contenders duel away. As is often the case, the really serious action is during the last hour, especially the final minute.

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8 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Been a shade over 2.5K for almost a week now, with a fortnight to go. Just waiting for the nibblers to get stuck in - a few low-ball bids from the optimists who reckon they might just be lucky if everyone else drops out. Expect a few big bids in the final week as the contenders duel away. As is often the case, the really serious action is during the last hour, especially the final minute.

most of the bids will run from 6.00pm to 6.30pm imo

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Mega tune and an overiding memory of late 70's Wigan. You had a job finding space on the dance floor when Richard dropped this on by Joe Mathews as it was then. No idea what it will go for but worth every last drop for a proper one.

There are rarer records not as good for me and cheapies probably as good but this thing has class, provinance and its laid down in stone as an absolute seminal classic.

 

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